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Women’s Ministry Leader Interview with Renee Rowell

In this women’s ministry leader interview, Renee Rowell is back to share her inspiring journey through challenging seasons in women’s ministry. Discover the power of staying the course during difficult times, the transformative impact of prayer and fasting within your ministry, and the hope found in God’s faithfulness after hardship.

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Cyndee Ownbey [00:00:25]:

Ladies. I am so excited for today’s women’s ministry leader interview. I am doing something I’ve never done before and I am bringing a guest back to share the rest of her story. As we unpack today’s podcast episode, I think that you will understand why I’ve had her back. She’s got a lot to share, so welcome again, Renee. I am so glad to have you here with us.

Renee Rowell [00:00:52]:

Thank you for having me again. I’m excited to be able to share what God is doing and where we’re going and how things are looking. Getting ready for the Faithful conference is included in all of that. I’m very, very excited. So thank you for having me back.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:01:05]:

Oh, you are welcome. I’m glad to have you too. I had Renee here for episode 79. If you haven’t had a chance to listen, I do want to encourage you to go back and listen to that episode. There’s lots we won’t cover here today, but just catch us up real quickly. For those who haven’t met you before, tell us where you are serving.

Renee Rowell [00:01:26]:

I live in Columbia, South Carolina and I go to Awaken Church in Columbia. I guess you could say we’re a small church where I’d say between 175 and 215, 230, something like so. So that would classify as, I think as a small church, which is. Which I love. I love. I’ve been a part of large churches, medium sized churches and small churches. And I just find that, you know, God will put you wherever he wants you to be and if he’s put you in a place, regardless of the numbers of people that are there, then if he’s put you there, there’s community there for you. And it’s important that we seek God about that community where we are.

Renee Rowell [00:02:04]:

I have learned over the years in ministry. I’ve been doing ministry 47, 48 years. So I’ve learned over the years that we can look at the different sides of churches and say, well, I don’t like large churches for this reason or I don’t like small churches for this reason. But for me, what I’ve learned is the point is God has put you in a place, and wherever he’s put you, there’s community there for you. And in that community, there’s purpose for you and reason for you to serve, and there’s a place for you to serve. And so that’s. I think that needs to be our prayer. When God sends us anywhere is what is your purpose for me being here, Lord? And where is the community that you want me to serve in? And where can I learn and grow from you? What do you also have to teach me here in this place?

Cyndee Ownbey [00:02:46]:

Those are some wise words, Renee. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Yes, we are made and created to be in community with God and each other for sure. Would you tell us a little bit about your women’s ministry there at your church?

Renee Rowell [00:03:01]:

Yeah, we. We have a thriving women’s ministry and I’m grateful to say that because we did have somewhat of a difficult season some years back, but we’re in such a good place right now. God is moving. The gal that helps me out on the leadership team, she keeps saying to me, what God is doing in our women is crazy. We don’t even know how to describe it at this point. It’s just amazing the things that God has done, the ideas for ministry, the. The growth that we are experiencing, the fruit that’s beginning to come out of the prayers that have been lifted, the growth that we’ve experienced, the, you know, fruit will come out of a hard season.

Renee Rowell [00:03:41]:

I think we lose sight of that in a hard season. We get stuck in the hardness of it that we forget that fruit is on the other side. And, and, you know, God has called us to bear fruit, but he hasn’t called us just to bear fruit, but to bear fruit that remains. And, and a leader, a leader who understands the sovereignty of God that has set things in motion in the fruit bearing planning, harvesting, reaping and all that kind of thing, the fruit that remains. When a leader gets that, it changes everything about their perspective on how they lead and how they seek God. Because now they’re not just in ministry just to do something, to have something checked off on their list of their programs.

Renee Rowell [00:04:28]:

And all those things are good, and it’s good to be organized and it’s good to have plans and things in place and how you’re going to pursue. But the fruit that remains became part of how I would pray and how I do pray for, for our women in ministry at church and the women that we serve at our church. The fruit that remains is when I give account to God, it will be the thing that I will be able to say, thank you, Jesus, for helping me do this. This is all because of you. I get a little emotional here because I know what it took to get to that point and I know my own heart and I know how God dealt with my own heart. But the fruit that remains is crux, I believe, of. Of ministry.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:05:12]:

I love that idea of praying for fruit that remains. That is beautiful. I was actually just in John 15 this morning. Yeah. Where he talks about how he is divine. So all of that ties together just beautifully. You mentioned a hard season. None of the leaders listening know the conversations that we’ve had behind the scenes the first time that we did that podcast episode and in conversations that we’ve had since.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:05:37]:

So I know you need to be careful because we want to honor the people that are part of this. But can you take us back just a little bit and tell us just maybe in general what that hard season was? And then I’d love to hear more specifically about how God brought you all through that.

Renee Rowell [00:05:53]:

I have been serving in our women’s ministry for several years now. I would probably say six or seven, maybe just as a team member. The woman who was leading it at the time approached me in church and asked me, would you please consider praying about being a part of our leadership team? Because this is what I’m trying to build. This is what I think God wants to do. And. And went through all that process, and I did pray about it, talk with my husband about it, and felt like that’s what the Lord wanted me to do. And so there came a time when she said, it’s coming, time for me to step down. And she didn’t step down right away, but she did give us all a heads up and say, I believe God’s moving on my heart.

Renee Rowell [00:06:30]:

And I just need you guys to be aware because at some point I’m likely to come to you and say, it’s time for me to step back. That led us into how we needed to pray for her and for our women’s ministry. And prior to that, I had been feeling a nudge for, oh, my goodness, I’d say a year to possibly two years in. In the depths of my being. And I know that nudge when I feel it, that God’s about to move, he’s about to do something. And when I would pray about it, the only thought that would come to my mind is it’s time for you to step up and step out. And I didn’t know what that looked like.

Renee Rowell [00:07:07]:

I didn’t know what it meant. I. But I, I learned not to move when God says, this is what I want you to do. I’ve learned not to just move on that command alone. I’ve learned to wait in, in his presence to get direction, to get information, to get peace about next steps to go, you know, because zeal. God speaks to us and we get so excited. But if we move on the zeal alone, we’re going to bulldoze. And I’ve learned that that zeal without knowledge is nothing more than a whim.

Renee Rowell [00:07:42]:

Because without God’s direction behind it, without his timing in place and moving within his timing, it’s going to be all wrong. And so I would just sit with, with that notion. When she did come to us and say, now’s the time for me to step down, I prayed. I said, Lord, is this what You mean? Is this where You want me to be? Is this the stepping up and stepping out? I don’t know what’s, what’s going on here? And so I didn’t move. I didn’t say anything, and I didn’t. I just prayed and kept it to myself and asked the Lord to guide me and lead me. And there was another young lady on our leadership team who at one time in the past had been the women’s ministry leader, and now she was serving on the team with us. And so our leader went to her and said, would you like to step back into this position? Do you feel like God is calling you to step back in to this position? And the end result of that was, yes, she, she would step back in.

Renee Rowell [00:08:37]:

So she did. And I thought, okay, well, I’m just going to continue to wait on this, you know. And then it, it wasn’t long before she stepped down, and it was a difficult moment for her and, and my heart broke for her for the way things that happened. But we were at that point left without a leader. And I began to pray. I said, lord, is this what you mean? Is it time for me to step up into this role? Tell me what you need me to do. And so I really prayed and sought the Lord on this. There were four of us left remaining on the team.

Renee Rowell [00:09:09]:

And so as we met to discuss things, I just brought it to them and I said, gals, here’s where my heart is. This is what I believe the Lord is asking of me. Or what are you guys thoughts on me stepping into this role. And they all agreed. They said, yeah, this would be a good thing. We need somebody to step into that position and lead. And I said, okay. So I did.

Renee Rowell [00:09:29]:

And everything was going great, was going good. In about two or three months, in just. Everything fell apart. It just blew up. And I felt blindsided. I felt. Oh, my goodness. It was.

Renee Rowell [00:09:44]:

It was very hurtful. I don’t even know where to begin to describe it. It wasn’t just me. It was all of us. All of us were hurting, and all of us were in a place where we really needed direction. But if I felt a personal attack. And so I went to leadership, I went immediately to my pastors and the elder.

Renee Rowell [00:10:08]:

On our elder’s board at the time, he was the one who oversaw the women’s ministry. And so I went to him, I said, look, this is going on, and I need you. I need direction. I need you to tell me how to manage this situation, because I. I don’t. I don’t know. I don’t know what to do. And so he prayed with me and counseled me very wisely.

Renee Rowell [00:10:30]:

I made sure to follow everything that he said, and I did. And prior to that happening, I had reached out to you. I had been a part of the Facebook group for a while, and the thought occurred to me as I was praying. I thought, I wonder if there’s any kind of mentoring that she does that. Can I reach out to her? And so I went onto your website, and sure enough, there was a button for mentoring. So that’s when I connected with you, and that’s when wisdom really started to come to me from someone who had been through some things and who had knowledge of some things and who knew about women’s ministry. I kept asking the Lord, I kept saying, father, do I need discipline? Do I need to be the one that is sat down and talked to? Do I need to step out of this? Did I move too quick? I mean, everything about what I thought was real and true, it. It was fuzzy all of a sudden.

Renee Rowell [00:11:21]:

But they would come to me on their own, and they’d say, we see you, and we’re praying for you, and we’re praying for the women’s ministry, but you have to stay this course. I was losing sleep, crying. Course I can’t remember. I can’t remember the last time I have cried so much. But I kept questioning the Lord, did I move too quickly? Is that what caused this? Did I put myself in a place where I’m not supposed to be? And everything I thought I About my calling and about my purpose in life. I was questioning. It was like I had no answers. I had no direction.

Renee Rowell [00:11:54]:

It felt to me, except for the advice that I was getting in the counsel that I was getting from. From our pastors and our elders and from women like you. I have a couple of women and what I call my. I just two go to the woman who had led our ministry before. She stepped down, she came to me and she grabbed me the shoulders before church one morning, and she said, I don’t know what’s going on here, but you have to stay the course. And so that became the running message through all of that season, was, you have to stay the course. The elders were saying, keep going, keep going. Do not stop, do not quit.

Renee Rowell [00:12:27]:

Do not give up. Keep going. You know, my prayer partner, friends, keep going, Renee. Do not quit. You stay here and you do not quit. And so I thought, okay, Lord, if this is the message that’s coming to me, then I need you to confirm this to me through your word and show me. And He did.

Renee Rowell [00:12:44]:

There were scriptures that he gave me during that time that just were foundational for me, that were strength for me. And I think probably one of my saving graces during that time was I prayed for the people that I felt like were attacking me instead of just praying about them. And there’s a big, big difference. I finally was able to respond from a place of healing and wanting to grow and wanting to. To genuinely serve. Serve the Lord with true faithfulness in. In my heart and in my thoughts, and not just in my obedience to execute the duties of the ministry. I’ve been called to.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:13:28]:

Wow, Renee, that was. That was amazing to hear your story. I’m just sitting here thinking how easy it would have been to walk away and just quit. It was where you had that temptation was constantly dangling right there in front of you. Like, this is hard. This is messy. People are being mean and ugly and. And then the attendance drops in your women’s ministry program.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:13:53]:

And that had to be so incredibly discouraging. I am so thankful for the people that surrounded you, encouraged you, that you sought your pastors out and got guidance and wisdom and encouragement from them and that they had your back, that they told you to stay put, to stay the course. I’m so thankful for how you dug into the Word during that time and really pressed into prayer and seeking the Holy Spirit and making sure that you are constantly in step with him and not in your own flesh, which is so easy to do. We tend to run ahead or tend to get off the path that the Lord has on flesh for us. So I know that there are leaders that are listening that may be going through hard seasons, that needed to hear pieces of your story just now, that maybe they need to be encouraged to. To stay there.

Renee Rowell [00:14:41]:

I hope so.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:14:42]:

I really wanted to have you back to talk about this so that you could be an encouragement to leaders who are walking through a difficult season, or when they get to a difficult season, they maybe will remember this podcast episode and go back, replay it so they can remember that they’re not alone in feeling this way. I know that there were two big keys, especially related to women’s ministry in this, that got you through, and it was prayer and fasting.

Renee Rowell [00:15:08]:

Yeah.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:15:09]:

It wasn’t just you praying and fasting. It was inviting the women in your church to pray and fast through this difficult season. Could you talk about that a little bit?

Renee Rowell [00:15:17]:

Yes. Well, immediately when things like this happen, the gossip goes flying. I mean, it. It would just. It just. It. It is. And it’s almost like it had a life of its own.

Renee Rowell [00:15:28]:

And what I realized in that moment and what others around me were beginning to realize was it wasn’t just. It wasn’t new gossip. It was. It was, for lack of a better way to say it, but it was about things that had been turning and stirring for a while. And when I sat and talked with our eldership about that and my pastor about that, they agreed that what I was feeling, where it was coming from, was. Was accurate. But they also counseled me, you know, otherwise. So we have a Facebook page for our women’s ministry.

Renee Rowell [00:16:01]:

And so I got on that Facebook page and I got with the gal who was helping me lead at the time. I said, we’re going to have to confront this head on. We can’t let this slide. We may even have to call the women into a special meeting and just confront this head on. All the women of the church, because it was. It was affecting all of us on. On a certain level. And.

Renee Rowell [00:16:19]:

And when I say, when you hear the phrase that gossip is poison, let me tell you, I don’t even know how to describe the depth of the meaning of that word poison in this case, because it certainly was. People were starting to take sides. That is absolutely division, and that is the work of Satan himself. When God does a work, whether it’s a purging work, whether it’s a work of individual instruction and teaching, you can expect the enemy to come flying in almost with guns blazing in a certain way. Because when God does this kind of work in a ministry’s life. It. The end result is always going to be unity and it’s always going to be growth, and it’s always going to be a deeper relationship with the Father. It’s always going to be the depth, the intimacy with him is going to increase for individuals as well as for the ministry as a whole.

Renee Rowell [00:17:18]:

And Satan will fight that because he knows that anybody who gets a hold of their identity in God and knows who they are, they are unstoppable. They are the unstoppable ones. It doesn’t mean that they never fail, that they don’t have their moments. But what makes them unstoppable is, is they know that they can go to God immediately, get forgiveness, go through godly repentance if it’s necessary in. In certain situations. Not that godly repentance isn’t needed in every moment, but there are certain things that we go through that will just wrench our souls over our sin, that will wreck us. Our sin on a certain level should wreck us in a certain way. So that Godly.

Renee Rowell [00:17:58]:

So that the what the scriptures talk about, about godly sorrow working, repentance in us has that work. And Satan will fight that. He will fight that work. And that’s what I saw going on. This is what I feel like the Lord’s leading us to do. We’re going to put some posts on our Facebook page and we’re going to confront this head on. I’ll do one, you do one, I’ll do one, you do 1.

Renee Rowell [00:18:18]:

And we’re going to do it for the entire month. I think it was July that year.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:18:22]:

Okay.

Renee Rowell [00:18:23]:

I think it was the first month, the Monday of each week in that year. We did it. And we talked about gossiping head on. We said, this is. This is killing us. And I told him, I said, ladies, we’re not at war with each other. We are in love with each other. And we need to approach this from.

Renee Rowell [00:18:41]:

From this vantage point. I basically got to the point of why gossip is such a divisive thing. It just destroys. And that’s what I saw going on. And it was. It wasn’t secret. It was open. I think it’s probably what was.

Renee Rowell [00:18:57]:

What was the most hurtful thing about it. It wasn’t secretive, right? It was. It was open. So we. We prayed and we fasted and I called the entire women’s ministry, all the women in the church is that we are going to pray and fast together the month of July, and we are going to get through this. We’re going to step into this full swing and we are going to seek God and we’re going to forgive each other and we’re going to move forward in this ministry. And everybody responded so well to that. I was, I was scared.

Renee Rowell [00:19:31]:

I thought my thoughts were. They’re going to think, who does she think she is? You know, coming out and doing this and confronting this and did it. When I did that, when I got back into church, I had so many women come up to me and say, thank you for doing that. We needed that. We know that it was hard for you to say those things and to confront the matter, but it was so needed. Thank you for doing that. And I. And then the responses that were coming in, the comments were all good and they were uplifting.

Renee Rowell [00:19:58]:

And I think that was one of the things that the Lord did to bring about for me the confirmation that, yes, I was in the right place because they were responding to the leadership and that, that I felt like God was wanting us to step forward with. And so I would say, don’t be afraid to do that. Don’t be afraid to confront the enemy and do what’s necessary for the women that God has called you to lead because their, their view of God is going to be shaped by how you lead to some degree by how you lead, by the Holy Spirit. Their view of ministry for those who feel like they’re called a ministry and they’re watching you, how you’re going to handle this, that’s going to be shaped by how you lead and the strength that you show as a leader, not because you’re a strong person, but because you’ve understood what the call of God means in your life. And they’re watching you live that out, regardless of what is being said and done. They’re, they’re, what they’re watching. And when I saw the response that came from that, that was very encouraging. That was one of the pivotal moments for me during that time.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:21:01]:

Oh, thank you so much for sharing that. We’ve talked a lot about the hard, the hard parts that you walked through. So let’s fast forward and I would love for leaders to hear an update of what’s happening now. How have you experience God’s faithfulness through this? Is there been growth in your ministry?

Renee Rowell [00:21:19]:

Yes.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:21:19]:

What is the latest?

Renee Rowell [00:21:21]:

Oh, my goodness. I can’t even begin. I don’t even know how to describe it to you. We are experiencing such a growth spurt right now in, in our whole church, really, not just in the women’s ministry. But in our whole church, there is like a breath of fresh air that has come after coming to. To the other side. You can feel the excitement when you walk in the doors. And when we go to church on Sunday morning, you can feel it.

Renee Rowell [00:21:46]:

And we did a fish fry for our women. There’s a family in our church that the. The husband actually is one of our elders, loves to go fishing. And so he will do a fish fry for the men, the men’s ministry. So we asked him, would you do one for the women one time at some point? And he said, yeah, I would love to.

Renee Rowell [00:22:04]:

So we were able to do that this past spring, and we had over 50 women show up. That is in contrast to another pivotal moment where we did a gathering and nobody showed up. I was the only one who showed up. And I was. That was so discouraging. But I felt the spirit of God say to me, are you going to be faithful to me whether or not anybody shows up? So I went into the sanctuary and I taught the lesson to empty scenes. People don’t think I’m nuts. We have security cameras in there.

Renee Rowell [00:22:36]:

And I explained to what the pastors and elders what I did, and they said, oh, Renee, we do that all the time because we’re rehearsing, we’re getting ready for Sunday. You know, we’re trying to make sure that our thoughts and our things that we feel like God has shown us is in place. So they didn’t think anything weird about it. But I did feel convicted by the Holy Spirit. Are you going to do what I called you to, whether anybody shows up or not? So when we had those 50 women, I felt like that was the fruit from that moment. Because of faithfulness, because of staying faithful, we are getting ready to go on a fall retreat, which we haven’t been able to do in about two years. And.

Renee Rowell [00:23:09]:

And we’ve already got over 20 women signed up for. Not even. We’re not even to the signup deadline yet. Yeah, I’ve talked to the camp, the gal at the camp who’s heading things up on their end, and she said, if you have more women show up, we’ve got space for you, so you don’t need to worry about it. So I’m. I am thrilled. I. I don’t even know how to tell you.

Renee Rowell [00:23:29]:

It’s just the faithfulness of God when you stay the course.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:23:33]:

That’s beautiful. I hope that gives women who are struggling and they’re in that hard season right now, some hope that ye God is working all things for good, even if you can’t see it, that he is faithful.

Renee Rowell [00:23:45]:

That’s exactly right.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:23:47]:

Even when we do not see it right in front of us. And we pray that you have a great redemption story to share also. That brings me to wondering, if you were to give women’s ministry leaders who are going through a tough season one piece of advice, Renee, what would you tell them?

Renee Rowell [00:24:08]:

Pray. Pray. Yeah. There’s no secret formula for any of us. There’s no path. There’s. There’s no certain set of scriptures that I can give to anybody for their season, because God will speak to them for their season, in their season. But when you pray and when you seek the Lord and when you are honest about what’s in your heart before God, He will take that and He will mold you into His image.

Renee Rowell [00:24:44]:

Get on your knees and pray and let the questions come. Let the complaints come. Do like Habakkuk did and sit yourself on the watchtower of your life and see how God is going to respond to you when you offer your heart in all of its honesty to him. If you read Habakkuk, chapter one, it’s him complaining about, why are you letting these things continue to happen. And then in chapter two, verse one, he says, now I’m going to sit myself on the watchtower, and I’m going to see what he will say to me when I am reproved or what he has to say to me about my complaint, you know, kind of thing. And what’s going to go forward from there. And then you can read how God met Habakkuk in that moment. And it.

Renee Rowell [00:25:23]:

It’ll change your life. It’ll change your perspective. It will. It will force you to look at how you identify yourself as a woman of God. Forget ministry, forget anything else. It will force you to face your. Your view of yourself as a woman of God and as a follower of Christ. And because everything we do should come out of that relationship, out of being a Christ follower.

Renee Rowell [00:25:47]:

Get you some Titus to go to. If you have those women already, that is great. If you don’t ask God to send them into your life to somehow help you make those connections. Because I, truthfully, Cindy, don’t know how I would have handled a lot of that without your help and without your wisdom and counsel and without the counsel of a couple of ladies that are here locally for me, I don’t know what I would have done if I hadn’t had that. Because you guys all brought the wisdom of God, but you also brought the Practical into play.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:26:15]:

You have been through the refiner’s fire and there is a beauty that I hope leaders can see if they’re watching this on video. I hope they can hear it in your voice of just how you have grown. Just grown spiritually, but just grown in your awareness of your identity as a child of God. It’s. It’s beautiful. Renee, I’m glad that you submitted yourself to that fire. I know it’s been painful at much more painful than I’m sure that you even shared with me. But I am so thankful for your willingness to be refined and to let the Lord do that work through you and in you and through the ministry there in your church and that you’re getting to see the fruit come from the season.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:27:05]:

That was really dark and really heavy for quite a while there. So thank you for being willing today to. To share these things.

Renee Rowell [00:27:15]:

Absolutely.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:27:16]:

It’s, it’s hard to talk about the hard things in women’s ministry and we wanted to try to be careful to honor your church and the women of your church and, and the women that were involved in this situation. And I think you’ve done a really good job of that today. So thank you for your vulnerability and your openness with us, the ladies. At the very beginning of the of our podcast, Renee mentioned that she is going to be part of the Faithful Virtual Women’s Ministry conference. And I’m so excited for this. She is one of the workshop top leaders. If you have not signed up yet, I want to make sure that you Visit WomensMinistryConference.com.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:27:53]:

There is an individual rate as well as a team rate, so invite your whole team to sign up. You all could watch it for a team retreat. We want to encourage you to be there live, but it will be recorded and it’s not just a live teaching. It’s going to be interactive. So it’s different than other simulcasts. We’re going to have breakout rooms. You’re going to get to choose what workshops you’re going to go to and then those videos will be later uploaded.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:28:16]:

So if you’re not able to to see Renee and her workshops, you can watch her later too. I hope that you’ve enjoyed getting to know Renee and to hear her heart and her love for God’s word and prayer and for women’s ministry. Today you are going to to love her workshop session. Is there a little bit you want to maybe tease them, tell them a little bit about what your workshop session is going to talk about?

Renee Rowell [00:28:37]:

Yeah, we’re going to talk about prioritizing because we, we have our relationship with God, relationship with our family, and our responsibilities as ministers of the gospel, wherever it is that we’re serving and it is life gets in the way of all three of those things. And so it is hard to prioritize what needs to happen and when it needs to happen. And we always hear God family ministry, you know, we always hear that. And that’s, that’s a good, that’s a good thing to follow. But sometimes we have difficulty finding peace in the process of prioritizing. And I think the key to that is understanding that balance in the kingdom of God isn’t about all things being equal because there is nothing that is equal to, to God in our lives. But it’s about the order that God has set about. He said he would order our steps for us.

Renee Rowell [00:29:24]:

And it’s about learning how to get in, get in there with God and find out what the order is. And it’s, it’s about all the practical things as well as all the spiritual things. We wear so many different hats, but if we’re trying to wear all those hats at once, they’re going to start to fall off and nothing’s going to get done well at all. And we’re going to feel like complete failures because we’re trying to do everything all at once with the same amount of energy. And I just think there’s wisdom from the Holy Spirit on, on how to be faithful in our calling without forgetting everybody else in our lives and in a way that honors God in every area of our lives. For all the hats that we wear.

Cyndee Ownbey [00:30:02]:

Oh, that’s going to be so good! I can’t wait to watch it myself. So it is October 10th and 11th, 2025. You can go to womensministryconference.com to sign up for the Faithful Virtual Women’s Ministry Conference for leaders just like you that are listening now and we’ll hope that you will join us.

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