Below you’ll find the transcript for episode 110, Women’s Ministry Leader Interview with Cassie Pattillo, from the Women’s Ministry Toolbox Podcast and YouTube channel.

Mentioned in this episode:
Empowered and Equipped by Julia Higgins
Faithful Women’s Ministry Conference
How to Share Your Testimony
Sharing God’s Everyday Faithfulness Workshop

Women’s Ministry Leader Interview with Cassie Pattillo

Some edits have been made to increase readability. Please excuse any typos.

[00:00:15] Cyndee Ownbey: Ladies,I am very excited today to introduce you to another women’s ministry leader. I can’t wait for you to meet Cassie Patillo. I actually met Cassie through my studies at Southeastern and you are just going to love her as much as I do. So welcome, Cassie. I’m so glad you’re here.

[00:00:32] Cassie Pattillo: Thank you. I’m super excited to be here this morning.Or today, whenever you’re listening to this.

[00:00:38] Cyndee Ownbey: That is very true.

[00:00:40] Cyndee Ownbey: Cassie, would you start by telling us a little bit about the church that you serve in?

[00:00:45] Cassie Pattillo: Yes, so I serve at State Line Baptist Church. I am also the pastor’s wife there, so I serve as both women’s ministry leader and pastor’s wife.

Our church is a fairly small church in a small town. We have about 140, 150 on any given Sunday morning. We’ve been there a little over three years, and we absolutely love the small town, small church life. We’re a Southern Baptist church and you know, are a part of that denomination. And honestly, we just have the most loving, kind and gracious people just ever, and we’re very, very thankful.

[00:01:20] Cyndee Ownbey: Oh, that sounds wonderful. Tell us about your women’s ministry. How is that structured in your church?

[00:01:26] Cassie Pattillo: Well, to give a little bit of background, when we came to the church a little over three years ago, there was no like formal any kind of structure for women’s ministry. And so, after we had been there a little while, the Lord began laying on my heart the need to start something formally, you know, for women.

And so, the way that it’s structured is I have a team of ladies because when the Lord began laying this on my heart, I was like, I can’t do this by myself. I’m also a mom of three kids. And just as a pastor’s wife and just all the things like no woman can do it all themselves.

And I also did not want it to be about me. I made that very clear from the beginning. This is not about me. This is not like Cassie’s ministry. It is women’s ministry for all the women of our church. And so, the first thing I did was I just kind of threw out an invitation for like, Hey, if you want to help be on like a leadership team to help format what this is going to look like, come over to my house and I’ll feed you dessert.

You know, dessert’s a good way to get anybody to do anything. And by God’s sovereignty He brought women of like young thirties, all the way up through sixties to be on this team. So we have women in different seasons of life, different ages, and that is what I wanted because my heart for the women’s ministry was that it wasn’t just for the young moms or just for the retired women or just for women with this certain interest. I wanted it to be for all the women of our church. And s,o these ladies are wonderful. We meet kind of as needed with whatever’s going on, and our heart is to disciple women. And so, we do different, I like to call them like gatherings.

We do different gatherings, some on smaller scale, some kind of on a more larger scale with the hope of bringing women into the church, more discipling, getting them more plugged into the life of our church, and just to kind of come alongside what our church is already doing.

[00:03:19] Cyndee Ownbey: There’s so much in there that was so good that I hope leaders heard as you were sharing about it.

I love that your team is multi-generational and that you prayed and asked the Lord to bring women to serve. I think sometimes we can just by default just ask the people we know to serve alongside of us. And that it does kind of look like us and we don’t want the women in ministry to look like us at all.

And I love that you’ve got gatherings too of different sizes, which we’re definitely going to talk more about that later in this episode. But before we get there, would you tell us a little bit more about the structure of your team? Do you serve for a certain amount of time? Do you have specific roles that women serve and how does it function?

[00:04:00] Cassie Pattillo: It’s not super majorly structured, I guess I’ll say. Like I said, we are a smaller church and so my team is, I don’t even know off the top of my head, maybe six to eight ladies. Every year our church in May has something called a ministry fair where you sign up to where you want to serve in the new church year.

Our new church year starts in September, so that could be a time where if a woman wants to come off the leadership team or kind of join the leadership team where that could kind of happen. But when we meet, these women are just so, so wonderful. We’re like, you know, if we’re planning things, I’ll have a lady just automatically be like, I’ll handle the food.

Or another one who’s like, I’ll handle the decorations or whatever it is. And because we’re smaller and a lot of these women have been at the church even longer than I have, we all kind of know each other’s strengths and weaknesses. I’m not going to decorate stuff.

I’m just, you know, like that’s just not necessarily my thing. But I have these other ladies who are gifted in that area, so they take over and run with it. And s,o it’s a little bit more of a, not formally structured, but just kind of knowing each other well and having that fellowship and community and knowing like, Hey, you’re going to be really good at organizing.

You can plan the food, kind of whatever it is, delegating as needed.

[00:05:08] Cyndee Ownbey: I love that you see the gifts and everybody else on the team, it sounds like, sees the gifts too. So people kind of just naturally fall into those roles. And I kind of commiserate with you on the decorating. I’m sure leaders, you know, as you’re listening, you’re hearing things that, oh gosh, I don’t want to organize food or you jump at that. So it is true, we all kind of have those things that we really like to do and prefer to do in women’s ministry.

Cassie, does your women’s ministry team have a mission statement?

[00:05:34] Cassie Pattillo: Yes. It’s pretty simple. It is for women of all ages, for the glory of God. We kept it simple because that was like our heart.

Like I said earlier, we want it to be women of all ages. And the whole point is to not make much of ourselves or, or not make much of any life, you know, certain stage of life or anything like that. But for our ministry, our church and women individually to glorify the Lord.

[00:05:57] Cyndee Ownbey: I like it. Sometimes I think we do over complicate it. There’s nothing wrong at all in keeping it simple. And that gives you a filter to run every idea and activity through. Is it for all ages, and does it glorify God? That makes it pretty easy to say yes or to say no to something.

All right, so let’s shift gears a little bit and I would love to hear about your journey into women’s ministry. I’m assuming this was not your first place you served in women’s ministry at before being a pastor’s wife, or am I wrong?

[00:06:24] Cassie Pattillo: I served a little bit at our previous church, so my husband is the senior pastor at our church now, but we were in student ministry.

He was a youth pastor for about 11 years before we moved to where we’re currently serving. So I really started out in girls ministry. That was just kind of like the natural place and my husband being a youth pastor. I hosted girls Bible study in our home every summer, girls small groups on Sunday nights, things like that. And that was what I really loved. And honestly, women’s ministry was never on my radar. I was very happy with the middle school and the high school girls. Like I can do that. Okay, let me just hang out with the 16 year olds and teach them God’s Word.

[00:07:02] Cassie Pattillo: And I love that season of our life and we can, we’re still in touch with a lot of the students that we got to pour into all those years.

But towards the end of our time at that church, both of our passions began shifting. My husband began shifting towards wanting to be a senior pastor. And so alongside that, like the Lord shifted my desires in that area. And I did start serving in our women’s ministry some at that church. But it was when we came to State Line, our current church, where the Lord just kept shifting, shifting those passion passions.

Again, I still love girls ministry. I think student ministry is vital, but maybe it was my season of life. Maybe it was, you know, my husband now being the senior pastor. I just kind of had that shift towards wanting to minister more specifically to women and not just those girls. But yeah, it was something that was never on my radar.

If you would’ve asked me 10 years ago, I would’ve been like yeah, no, I’m never doing that. But the Lord’s taught me a lot about not saying never to him. Because then He’s like, okay, well then watch what we’ll do.

[00:08:05] Cyndee Ownbey: I love that. You mentioned earlier some of the activities that your women’s ministry does there in your church, and I’d love to hear more about that. Is there an activity or two that was really well received or something that really stands out to you that you can share with us?

[00:08:19] Cassie Pattillo: I’ll share two, kind of a bigger one and a smaller one to help give some ideas, but one of the bigger ones. For most springs we have done kind of a bigger dinner or bigger gathering. And when we are planning, one question I try to lay out there is, what is one thing that our women need

spiritually? And then what is one thing that we can do to get them there to take one step? Because as we know, spiritual growth is slow and it is a process. As we were discussing this, this was over a year ago now, all of us felt this burden for the women in our church who weren’t plugged in, they weren’t, you know, being discipled.

They weren’t plugged into the life of our church. And the women on my team are, and we all know how wonderful and needed that is in our own lives. We felt this burden for these other women to experience the same joy of the local church. We had a spring dinner and I think my friend came up with this idea.

I don’t think it was me. And so we had a panel. Instead of bringing in like a speaker, we had a panel of women from our church. And the whole point of the panel was to discuss the beauty of the local church. We talked about where these women serve, what the church has meant to them. It was women from, we had college age all up to 80, so every single woman was in a different season of life, and it was the sweetest night.

We laughed and some women cried and it was just a beautiful picture of what the local church is supposed to be. That was kind of a bigger thing. We did, I think maybe a year and a half ago now. A smaller thing that we do fairly regularly, we call it Coffee and Chats.

Because you know, we got to have alliteration and cute names for things. But all it is a lady will host. And so I love that it gives women the opportunity to practice hospitality. We come over for brunch. We just throw the invitation out there like, Hey, if you want to bring a brunch item to share, you can, but if not, come anyways.

Because I don’t know if your church is like ours, but we never lack for food. And so we’re like, come anyways, because we’re going to have an abundance of food. We always do. And we get together for a fellowship and brunch and we have one lady share her testimony and I try to kind of rotate that.

So like if a 30 something did it last time, I’ll try to maybe find like an older lady to do it next time. What I love about that is you can know women for a long time, but when you hear their testimony, there’s just a deeper level that you can get to know them and you can say, oh, I’ve gone through that too.

It can help you connect better. I also love it because it’s like practice for evangelism. And the other thing I love about it is after that lady shares her testimony, I mean it’s not super long, maybe 10, 15 minutes, the conversations that proceed after that, just in those fellowships, you know, we’re hanging out, drinking coffee, are just a lot more edifying and glorifying to the Lord because ladies kind of like bounce off her, and so they’re sharing what Jesus has done in their life, maybe that week or in the past. And it’s just a really sweet time. It’s usually, like I said, simple Saturday morning at 10:00 AM.

Cost $0 out of our budget because everybody just kind of contributes to the food. Yep. But it is a sweet, sweet time.

[00:11:21] Cyndee Ownbey: I love that. A question that came into to my mind that I think other leaders may have is, do you do anything to help prepare these women to share their testimony? Do you have them write it out and review it before they share it?

Or maybe you just sit down with them and you help them practice it?

[00:11:37] Cassie Pattillo: A friend of mine that’s on the leadership team, she has like a template from a church that she went to in college that she’ll offer to ladies to help them share. But I think that’s a really good point.

Some ladies might need some guidance and some help in sharing that. This friend does have a template. If we didn’t have that, my suggestion for anybody there is, you know, there’s three main parts to our testimony. Our life before Christ, when we got saved, and then our life after Christ.

And I would just really, really urge women, you know, make Jesus the star. Like He is central. Make it all about Him, not necessarily your past sin that needs to be discussed to show what He saved you from. But it is all about Jesus. And then for me personally, I’ve been following Jesus since I was seven, so I’ve lived a lot of life after Jesus.

What I share about the after part sometimes depends on my audience. Like if I’m talking to 10 girls, I might talk about that time in my life. Yeah, I’m talking to women, I might talk more about this season of my life or things like that. So those are a few helps I would give that I think a women’s ministry leader could pretty easily pass on to their ladies if they were wanting to do something like that.

[00:12:41] Cyndee Ownbey: Absolutely. And I think I have a post or two, which I’ll link to in the show notes if you guys want some more help with that. Great tips. That’s a great point. I’m really glad that you guys do have a format and a structure, because unfortunately I have seen them kind of go off the rails at different times.

And it’s okay to be a little emotional, but we also don’t want women standing up there that are still processing and working through something that maybe needs some time before it’s quite ready to be shared with an audience. It’s one thing to share one-on-one with somebody else, but to put them in front of a group of people when maybe they haven’t had a chance to heal or forgive or finish walking through something that the Lord is going through with them. We want to be very mindful of the women that we ask and the stories that they share. I’m so I’m glad that we talked about that.

Cassie, would you tell us about discipleship in your church? What does that look like for your women’s ministry?

[00:13:35] Cassie Pattillo: So right now, just the way some things are structured in our church, we don’t have a specific like women’s Bible study that our women’s ministry puts on. Our small groups meet on Sunday evenings, and right now they are multi-generational and a mix of men and women.

We’re doing sermon based small groups, so based off whatever’s preached that morning. We have some discussion questions and I really love that. As a side note, it’s a great way to kind of dive in deeper to Sunday mornings. And so for our women’s ministry right now, andI keep saying right now, because that’s not to say that like in six months or a year, the Lord might change things or something. I like to see these gatherings and the testimony time that I talked about, or the dinner that I talked about, as almost like a coming alongside what we’re doing on Sunday mornings and Sunday evenings in our church.

We don’t have a specific Bible study time per se, but I like to see these things as coming alongside of what we’re already doing, if that makes sense.

[00:14:28] Cyndee Ownbey: That absolutely makes sense. I understand that. And we’re kind of in the same boat, to be honest, in our church.

I don’t think it’s that rare. We do sermon alignment as well. Our small groups are scattered throughout the week, and then we have winter classes for three weeks. We have that break between small group sessions before they kick back up and that’s when we plug in some classes and some Bible studies or might use a Bible study book. And then in the summer, when our small groups are on break, we have six weeks of summer classes. And that’s also another place where we can pull in something a little topical.

So it’s okay if you do not have a specific women’s driven, women’s only discipleship program. The important thing is that people are being discipled. And that’s what’s happening in your church, it does not have to happen through the arm of the women’s ministry. And sometimes, if I’m really honest as I’m thinking about this, sometimes we can take away from the church’s discipleship efforts.

We don’t want to compete with them, right? We want to come alongside, just as you mentioned, we want to come alongside, we want to support the things that the church is doing, and we want to encourage our women to be involved in that. And guess what that means? We don’t have to do it all the time. That gives us time, energy. You know, we can steward our funds better if we don’t have to do that. We can just funnel people in that direction. So it’s not a negative. If you’re listening and feeling guilty for not having a specific discipleship program for your women’s ministry, if you’ve already got one going on, funnel women in that direction. Don’t feel bad about that at all.

[00:15:54] Cassie Pattillo: Women’s ministry needs to come alongside the church, not be a separate church or ministry like within the church. I’m very passionate about that. And I think there is a time and a place and it is good for just women to be together in discipleship, but there’s also a time and a place and it is good for women and men to be together.

Like we can learn from one another. And the truth is we are all limited in our time. We don’t have an hour to give to just women or an hour to give to both every week. So we kind of have to pick and choose in some seasons, I guess.

[00:16:26] Cyndee Ownbey: And like you said, it might change, but that’s what you guys are doing right now.

. I would love to know what is your favorite thing about women’s ministry?

[00:16:36] Cassie Pattillo: My favorite thing, I love all of the women in our church, but I really, I love getting to serve with this leadership team that I have. They have been like the biggest gift to me.

You know, I said we don’t have a specific like formal women’s ministry discipleship program. They have discipled me informally as we served together. A couple years ago in 2023, in 2024, we had four back-to-back miscarriages. And I remember sitting in a women’s ministry meeting not long after, I think it was miscarriage number three, which also required me to have a surgery.

I’m so thankful they let me be honest as the pastor’s wife and women’s ministry leader. I was able to honestly say to them, I feel like I can barely put one foot in front of the other right now. And they said, okay, don’t worry, we’ve got everything handled.

They handled pretty much everything that we were planning. There are just countless stories like that one where they have discipled me as we are slicing croissants for a brunch or just through their text messages. And it is the biggest blessing in my life and I’m so grateful for those women.

[00:17:43] Cyndee Ownbey: First of all, I’m so sorry. I’m sorry that this has been the thing that the Lord has chosen for y’all to walk through. But, I’m so encouraged by two things, one that you opened up and you let your ladies know. And two, that they came alongside you and loved you so well. That is very encouraging to me.

I think sometimes when we’re leaders we can set up some kind of hard boundaries there, because we don’t want people to know our mess or feel like they need to fix it or any of those things. And I mean obviously prayerfully and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we do want to be transparent in some areas in the places that He calls us to.

[00:18:24] Cyndee Ownbey: If you were talking to a brand new women’s ministry leader, what advice would you have for her?

[00:18:33] Cassie Pattillo: Goodness, there’s so much! I would say, first of all, you cannot do all the things. Your women’s ministry cannot do all the things. And the other thing that I want to encourage women with is that discipleship costs $0.

I think especially being at a smaller church and being in a community that is a lot of smaller churches. We live in a very small town with like one restaurant, you know? I think sometimes we can get this view where women’s ministry, like if I don’t have the big budget and the fancy decorations and the super fancy food or whatever it is, then we can’t do women’s ministry.

Now that is not to say that big budgets are bad or decorations or anything like that. There is a time and a place, for that, if that’s what your church has. But if your church is smaller, like mine… In the first year that we had a women’s ministry, we did not have a budget.

And so if it’s smaller like mine and you don’t have a huge budget, you don’t have the resources for, tons of decorations or whatever that thing is you know, we see things on Instagram, which I love Instagram but like, you don’t need all that to disciple women. You need God’s Word, and you need the Holy Spirit in you and prayer and other women around you, and all of that costs $0.

You don’t have to have the big budget and the earthly resources to be able to disciple women.

[00:19:50] Cyndee Ownbey: I love that. Can we press in on that just a little bit? Because I know there are women in small churches and I’m curious if you found just some ways to kind of work through that if you’ve got some more tips for being in a smaller church.

And I’m also wondering if there’s been times that you have partnered with other local churches maybe to go on a retreat together, be able to afford that speaker. I know you guys are still fairly new, you haven’t been there that long, maybe that just hasn’t come up yet.

[00:20:17] Cassie Pattillo: So we are still fairly new. A lot of this stuff we are, still working through what all it looks like, but a few tips about budget. That’s why with like coffee and chats, we ask other ladies to bring stuff. So that is one way. I have a leadership team that kind of helps plan the things and stuff, but then asking women to bring things, that’s another way for women of all ages to serve. If they want to, maybe that week they don’t have the capacity to make muffins and that’s totally fine.

Asking other women to help bring things, like, one thing that we try to do is we try to feed the teachers in our local schools either breakfast or lunch. And we do have an outreach budget that can help with some of that, so I’ll use our outreach budget to get Chick-fil-A sandwiches.

But then I’ll ask women to bring boxes of chips and cookies. And again, that’s a way that, especially if like a woman is new in the local church and she’s not very plugged in yet. Like she’s like, Hey, I can get a box of chips while I’m out at the grocery store. Asking other women to kind of pitch in and serve I think is really helpful.

Goodness, if you have those women, like the women in our church who can do the decorating, they don’t really spend a ton of money on it. Like I said, that’s not my thing. We are blessed to have like women who have beautiful flowers in their yard and things like that so they’re using things that are already around the church. Most churches probably already have a lot of things around them. That are already growing in their yards. Like they’re using resources that we already have and just repurposing them or whatever getting creative there.

And it’s definitely doable for sure. I think you asked me another question, but it was about retreats and things like that last year. Jen Wilkin came about an hour and a half from us, and so we were able to take some women down there. Honestly, I would love to plan a retreat like where we plan it for our women, but that is still a work in progress because one of the hard things about women’s ministry is picking a date. We’d love to do that. And maybe partnering with another church. We are in a community where churches partner together well, and so very thankful for that.

That’s the one thing keeping us from that right now is the calendar.

[00:22:16] Cyndee Ownbey: Yeah, I get that. We recently switched our annual retreat dates. We do retreat annually, and it was like the weekend before Thanksgiving. Which that’s what we had for years.

Once you get locked in somewhere they usually let you take that same date the next year. And we had been praying, we had been trying to change the date even and kept getting “nope, sorry, we want you guys to leave the date where it is.”

And then all of a sudden our church, I think it was the communications team or whatever, came to our women’s ministry director and was like, “Hey, we need you to change your retreat date this year. And we were like, yes!” That’s not a great weekend for everybody and a lot of people are like, oh, we’re traveling or school’s already out maybe for the week.

It was nice to be able to switch it up. And so now we are mid-September. We actually just had ours just last weekend. Typically, we’re away, but Western North Carolina had all that damage so we decided to wait a year. We had it at the church this year and just did Friday and Saturday instead of a three-day event.

And it went really well. We saw people come that never have gone away with us overnight before. You might want to think about maybe we have something at the church on some years and some years you go away. It reaches different people. Thanks for giving us kind of a glimpse behind the curtain on that. I have a feeling a lot of leaders are going to relate to that. They have desires too, and they’re still trying to figure out the pieces and the parts to get it together.

God’s timing is always best. Always best.

Cassie, what resources or resource would you recommend that would be helpful for other leaders who are leading in women’s ministry?

[00:23:56] Cassie Pattillo: My brain kind of bounced around everywhere with this question because I love a good Christian resource, but I’m going to give one that might be unusual, and that is your pastor.

Like I said earlier, I’m very passionate about the fact that women’s ministries, honestly, any ministry in the church, should not ever function as a separate thing from what is going on in the life of your local church. I know I’m saying this as a pastor’s wife, and so of course I’m biased because I really love my pastor.

But I think whether you are married to the pastor or not, your pastor is going to be a great resource because the Lord has given him a vision for where He wants your local church headed. He can be a great help to you. He can also be a great help. I’ve done this a lot as a women’s ministry leader in our area.

I’ll have women be like, “Hey, what do you think about this person?” And I’ll give some of my thoughts, but I’ll also say like, “Hey, ask your pastor.” Part of their job is to help protect sound doctrine. They need to know what your women are studying, the authors you’re studying and things like that.

And they can probably help provide some guidance on like, “Maybe, this person is great.” Or maybe, “not so much, let’s look over here instead.” So I really, really, really think that women’s ministries really need to be talking to their pastor. Not to add anything to his plate, because they are very busy people,

But they need to know what’s going on. They need to help you protect that sound doctrine and make sure that your women’s ministry is in line with the vision of your church as a whole. Like ours is love God, love people, make disciples. So in addition to like our women’s ministry statement, we’re like bringing that up to in meetings, like, “Hey, how are we kind of working in this vision?”

So that’s one is your pastor, and then the other one is a book called Empowered and Equipped by Julia Higgins. That is a great book for any woman who wants to teach the Bible. I am super passionate about Bible literacy and I think that our women in our local churches need to be equipped to teach God’s Word well and her book does that, and it does it on a very, I guess, layperson level.

Like you don’t need a seminary background to read that book. You can read it and learn and glean so much from it. So I love, love that that resource exists now for women.

[00:25:57] Cyndee Ownbey: I actually was in Julia Higgins class and so that was part of our required reading was her book and loved that book. I thought it was really good. It’s very helpful if you’re doing any teaching. I’m really glad you brought that resource up. And I love that you said pastors is your first resource, your recommendation.

No one has said that. And those who have been around a while, know that’s my heartbeat too, is that we are not a silo ministry. We are part of the local church, and we are to support the other ministries. We are to support our pastors. And they can’t help us if they don’t know what’s going on.

They may be open and willing to have quarterly meetings with you just to kind of check in so you can share things or it may be that you just email them, you know? Mm-hmm. Every couple months. Hey, I just want you to know what we’re doing. Can you be praying for us about this? Do you have a suggestion for that?

Yeah. And there is a fine line because like you said, they are busy people.

And I have found that men are not as familiar with women’s authors as women are with women’s authors.

[00:26:50] Cyndee Ownbey: While they can certainly provide some guidance, it may even be helpful for you to share shall we say more concerning, (I’m trying to be careful with my words )authors that they are aware of. Because they may not know that there is a book circulating around that a lot of the women in your church are reading. That’s not the best or most biblical book that they could be reading. So I think it goes both ways.

[00:27:11] Cassie Pattillo: It definitely does. We’re co-laborers for a reason. They need some, some godly strong women to be like, “Hey, just want to let you know this is circulating.” They need to know what’s going on, and in the women’s circles to be aware of what their congregation’s like taken in so they can provide guidance and correction, if needed. You’re so right.

[00:27:32] Cyndee Ownbey: Well, Cassie, this has been so wonderful. I’ve enjoyed having you on. I’m so glad that leaders got to meet you. And I neglected to mention at the very top of this podcast, Cassie is one of the speakers for the Faithful Conference.

Would you like to tell them just a little bit about the workshop that you’ll be leading?

[00:27:50] Cassie Pattillo: I’m really excited about the workshop because I’m going to get to talk to pastor’s wives, and, I love being a pastor’s wife. I know it has a unique set of challenges, but I also really believe it has a unique set of blessings with it as well.

My workshop is going to be about being faithful. I kind of broke it up to faithfulness to your husband and your family, faithfulness to the Lord, and faithfulness to the church. My heart is to challenge pastor’s wive, but also encourage them and give a mix of practical encouragement and biblical encouragement.

I’m really excited to get to, to share with those women in just a couple weeks.

[00:28:20] Cyndee Ownbey: When this airs, I think we’ll be about a week and a half out. So if you’re listening and the Faithful conference has already happened know that the recordings will be available for purchase, but I hope if you’re listening to this soon after it comes out and you haven’t bought a ticket yet, that you will go to women’s ministry conference.com and grab your ticket.

The price is very reasonable. It’s a killer deal for the price for teams to join to be able to watch it as a team, so maybe you can get your church to even pay for that ticket. Thank you, Cassie, so much for being here today and for sharing with us. I’ve really enjoyed it.

Cassie Pattillo: Well, thank you so much for having me.

If you enjoyed this women’s ministry leader interview, be sure to check out the other leader interviews I’ve done. You’ll find all of them listed on the Women’s Ministry Toolbox podcast page here.